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  1. thinskin

    thinskin Porn Star Banned!

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    Is that the pedofile ring or something else?

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    1. stumbler
      That is actually just another treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republican lie that has been proven a lie dozens of times including multiple times on our own little forum. But they just keep telling that lie because they hope the Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels was right.

       
      stumbler, Jun 20, 2022
    2. Scotchlass
      IN THE MEANTIME, HE DIED...
      Fox confirms that Michael Stenger, the Senate Sergeant at Arms who was in charge of Senate security the day of the Capitol riot, has died of cancer. Stenger was a GOP appointee and in charge of security in the Senate wing of the Capitol on January 6 last year. It was reported in February that there were major inconsistencies in none other than Sergeant at Arms Michael Stenger's testimony in regards to January 6th and now he's dead. The news of his death comes just hours after the @January6thCmte announced an “urgent hearing due to newly obtained evidence.”
       
      Scotchlass, Jun 28, 2022
    3. Scotchlass
      REPEATEDLY DENIED REQUESTS
      @stumbles denies that the Senate Master at Arms delayed requests by the Capital police chief. I don't know what the truth is, but neither does he.
      Here is what another site (not AP) as posted.

      Paul Irving, Nancy Pelosi’s sergeant-at-arms at the time, and Michael Stenger (now deceased), Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s sergeant-at-arms, repeatedly denied requests by the Capitol police chief for extra help days before the Capitol protest. As chaos unfolded, Irving and Stenger continued to delay numerous pleas to deploy the National Guard. The more than 1,000 guardsmen were stationed at the D.C. armory on the morning of January 6, were not summoned to the Capitol complex until well after 5:00 p.m.
      https://amgreatness.com/2022/06/13/january-6-for-non-dummies
       
      Scotchlass, Jun 28, 2022
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    So, is THIS the smoking gun we've all been told to just wait for?
    No?
    Darn.
     
  3. stumbler

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    Internal Trump campaign emails show fake electors gambit was a 'concerted strategy': Washington Post

    Brad Reed
    June 20, 2022


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    The gambit to send phony pro-Trump electors to back him in the 2020 electoral college was part of a "concerted strategy" that was aimed at giving Vice President Mike Pence cover to block the certification of the results on January 6th, reports the Washington Post.

    Internal Trump campaign emails obtained by the Post show that campaign officials pressed Pence to accept the validity of the fake pro-Trump electors, even as lawyers working for the campaign acknowledged "they did not have legal validity and the gatherings had not been in compliance with state laws."

    One email highlighted by the Post was written by notorious "coup memo" author John Eastman, who on December 19th, 2020 argued that the plan to send the electors to Congress was "dead on arrival" from a legal perspective because no state legislatures had certified them.

    Nonetheless, Eastman said that Pence should accept them as valid in another email written days later, as doing so would create the impression that the results of the election were still in dispute.

    IN OTHER NEWS: Morning Joe rips 'freakish worldview' leaking from Fox News into real-world attacks on GOP lawmakers

    "The fact that we have multiple slates of electors demonstrate the uncertainty of either," he wrote. "That should be enough."

    The use of fake electors is drawing legal scrutiny in both Georgia and Washington D.C., where Department of Justice lawyers reportedly have empaneled a grand jury to look into the scheme.

    The Post notes that the House Select Committee investigating the January 6th Capitol riots will be examining the fake electors scheme during its next hearing on Tuesday, June 21st.

    https://www.rawstory.com/trump-fake-electors-2657534115/
     
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    This was actually a common reaction from the rest of the world as they watched the deadly insurrection and attempted coup. OMG what has happened to the US? It has turned into a shit hole country.

    'I don't think there's an America anymore': Photojournalist who's covered world conflicts says Jan. 6 was the 'worst'

    Chauncey Devega, Salon
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    In three public hearings so far, the House committee tasked with investigating the events of Jan. 6, 2021, has decisively shown that Donald Trump and his confederates attempted a coup to end American democracy and the rule of law. The scope of their plot was nationwide, sophisticated and premeditated, and violent. As became clear during last Thursday's hearing, Trump's refusal to accept defeat was so extreme that he encouraged or celebrated the murderous rage of his followers on Jan. 6 as they attempted to hunt and in all likelihood kill Vice President Mike Pence to prevent him from certifying the Electoral College votes.

    Trump and his confederates certainly knew that their attempt to nullify the election results could result in widespread civil unrest. That was seen not as an obstacle but rather as an opportunity: Street violence might have provided Trump a pretext for invoking the Insurrection Act and declaring martial law as a means of remaining in power indefinitely.

    In many respects, the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol by Trump's followers was the most extensively documented crime in American history. David Butow, one of America's leading photojournalists, was there that day. His work has been featured by Time magazine, CNN, Politico, NBC, the Los Angeles Times, the Guardian, Rolling Stone, Vanity Fair, the New York Times, National Geographic, and other leading news outlets and publications.

    In his 30-year career, Butow has also traveled the world covering conflict zones such as Afghanistan, Zimbabwe, Burma and Iraq. He explores the events he witnessed at the U.S. Capitol on that fateful January day — and the forces unleashed by a broken America that fueled Donald Trump's rise to power — in his new book of photographs "Brink."

    In this conversation, Butow reflects on what it was like to experience one of the worst moments in American history, and how the House Jan. 6 hearings serve as a traumatic reminder of that day. He also talks about documenting the rise of Trumpism across the United States, from a type of personality cult in 2016 into a violent anti-democratic force that attempted to bring down democracy.

    Butow warns that the U.S. is divided against itself and on the precipice of disaster because shared democratic norms and values, and even a basic understanding of reality, no longer seem to exist among a wide swath of the public. He also recounts his recent experience documenting the mass shooting in Uvalde, Texas, and what that reveals about a society so sick with gun violence that mass murder has become a type of cultural norm and familiar ritual.

    This conversation has been edited for clarity and length.

    How do you make sense of this moment in America in the wake of Jan. 6, with ascendant fascism, democracy in crisis and all the other calamities and challenges we face?

    I'm really concerned, for the first time in my life, about our government and the future of the country. I'm generally optimistic. For all its flaws, our government does a good job on a basic level. For example, most people who are election officials generally rise above party interests. When it comes down to the real stuff, such as counting votes and things of that nature, most people, I think, are pretty honest. But now I'm less confident of that. I'm really concerned with the way things might play out for the country's future.

    Some of us tried to warn the public that Donald Trump would win in 2016 and that his presidency would be a disaster for the country. We were labeled as being hysterical or crazy, and told that we suffered from "Trump derangement syndrome." What did the the mainstream news media and larger political class miss? Why were they, and are they, in such denial about reality? What happened on Jan. 6, 2021, is not going away.

    That is a function of the class divisions in this country, in terms of how people understand the situation. People who interact with a much broader swath of society have a much better sense of what's happening on the ground. That cuts across racial lines and geographical lines.

    One of my colleagues, Mark Peterson, started tracking the rise of the Trump movement years ago, well before 2016. People who are interacting more with blue-collar white people in rural areas had a much better sense of the undercurrents of Jan. 6 and all the discontent brewing out there in certain parts of the country. That's why a lot of the elites missed it all. They just don't circulate in that crowd. In addition, there is a polite way of talking about some of the ugly truths about this country, where such things are not publicly spoken of in a clear and direct way by the country's elites. Or they just don't see it, and don't talk about it.

    What are your general thoughts on the House Jan. 6 hearings so far? How are you managing your feelings and emotions given that you were at the Capitol that day?

    I'm very glad they're happening, and they seem to be followed by several million people at least. So it's not getting buried, even though most Republicans in Congress would like to see that. The committee is slowly building a damning case against Trump and some of the people around him. It's still hard to believe what happened. I thought the first day was pretty dramatic, mainly because of the footage. In fact, the sound of the crowd and the fighting is probably the most visceral memory I have, and hearing it is just as stressful as watching it.

    Thinking about the day can stress me out, not so much because I felt physically threatened but because the level and type of violence was so unexpected. I always used to tell people that even though there was political chaos during the Trump years, superficially it was hard to tell because of protocol, and that was, in a way, comforting. But all that got dashed in the first few moments of my exposure to the Jan. 6 attack.

    How are the hearings and the other public information about Trump's coup attempt, and how close it came to succeeding, coloring your understanding of what you personally witnessed?

    With the passage of time and the new information, it becomes more clear that Jan. 6 was part of a coordinated plan that started from the Oval Office. You're seeing thousands of ordinary citizens acting in a violent way, but that is just the manifestation of those plans. That wasn't evident to me on the day itself or in the subsequent weeks. Initially I thought of it mainly as a riot, which implies a certain amount of spontaneity. But Jan. 6 was an attempted putsch, plain and simple, and that fact elevates its significance and makes the event, in hindsight, both more frightening and unbelievable.

    Another aspect of understanding is revealed is the testimony of those who were around Trump when all this was happening. I'll use Trump's attorney general, Bill Barr, as an example. A year before Jan. 6 I was in the East Room of the White House when Trump took his victory lap after he was acquitted in the first impeachment trial. Most of his cabinet was there, Bill Barr being one of them. Barr is a smart guy, but I watched him laughing and applauding along with everyone else in that room while Trump gloated his way through that self-indulgent monologue. As I was leaving the event I turned to a fellow photographer and said it was one of the worst things I'd ever seen as a photographer.

    The Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol is apparently the most documented crime scene in U.S. history. Considering the photographic and video record of that day's events — including your work — what do you "see" in those images now that you may have not have comprehended at the time?

    There is so much imagery, and it's very raw and compelling and the evidence is unimpeachable. That alone is an amazing and very contemporary thing, everything from the professional coverage to the surveillance footage and bodycam images. I only saw a tiny fraction of everything that went on, particularly from inside the Capitol. I didn't make it into the building until it was basically over. Most of the time I was out on the west steps in the middle of the crowd. The imagery to me is very scary, in terms of what it shows of the day itself, and about the state of the country then and now.

    Most of my memory of Jan. 6 is a blur, literally and metaphorically. My impressions of the day are very broad and not specific, in the sense that I remember only the basics of where I was and when. I look through my unedited set of pictures for reference, but most frames are just chaotic, and not in a good way: My view is blocked, the pictures are out of focus, etc. It was very difficult to photograph.

    When I watch videos, I see things that I wish I'd gotten in pictures and ways I might have moved around the scene. A few pictures came together that are pretty good and they made it into the book. It was one of the worst things I've seen in my decades of doing this job, but in the somewhat paradoxical aspect of the profession, I am beyond grateful I was there. The event seems even more significant with the passage of time and if I'd missed it, I don't think I would have published "Brink."

    In "Brink" you document the rage and pain and overall emotional life of this broken America. How did that crystallize into Trumpism?

    I didn't really experience the rage until Jan. 6, 2021. I was aware of the energy coming from the Trump supporters. At first, I did not really interpret it as rage. I interpreted it more as just sort of loving his personality. At Trump's rallies, I would hear people say, "Donald Trump isn't my God, but he is my president." Why would you even need to say that? Why would you even think to say something like that? This is like a religious cult. These are the same dynamics that are at play with the Trump movement now and what is happening after Jan. 6.

    Did you feel something in the air on Jan. 6? Some intangible sense that something "historical" was about to happen?

    At first, I didn't know that I was going to see something historical, but I did have a sense, once that date was on the calendar, a couple of weeks ahead of time, that it could turn into a big deal. But I didn't know what kind of shape Jan. 6 was going to take. I was prepared for it. I had exercised. I went jogging. It was almost like preparing for some kind of athletic competition.

    But in the morning when that crowd had gathered on the mall for Trump's speech, I could tell that there was a weird energy and the crowd was hyped up in a way that they hadn't been for the two previous rallies. So at that point, I was feeling like something might really kick off, but I just didn't know what that was going to be. I spent about 45 minutes with the crowd that morning. Then I took the subway to the Capitol just to be there when the crowd arrived, and everything went down.

    As that attack took place, how did you decide what to photograph? Where does that skill come from?

    In my best moments, it's like when an athlete gets into what they call the flow state and being in the zone. On Jan. 6, it was actually very hard to get to that state of mind and energy because, just watching the whole thing unfold, it was so unexpected. I was not ready for the level of violence from the crowd that was directed at the police. It was very hard to switch back on the psychological and physical muscle memory I had developed from years of covering conflict and other tense situations.

    Jan. 6 felt like some kind of one-off. It absolutely felt like I was watching something that I had never seen before, and it did feel historical. There were times when I was in the middle of that crowd, but I just couldn't move around in the crowd in the way that I normally would.

    Were you afraid?

    Yes. I was afraid in some of the same ways that I'm normally afraid when I'm covering something where there's violence and things are flying around and people in the crowd are pushing barricades and you think you might get knocked down. The added element on this one was that I was afraid of people in the crowd. Many of the Trump followers don't have any idea what the independent media is. To them, you're either with them or you're against them. There were people during that day that asked me who I was shooting for, and they're trying to figure out, "Is this guy with us or against us?"

    Fortunately, nothing happened to me. I had no physical altercations with anyone there. That was a concern, and it felt weirder late in the day. Once I realized that the crowd had breached the Capitol and that things had really gotten out of control at that level, then the National Guard started to show up and police in riot gear showed up late in the day, it just felt really tense. I felt outnumbered and I didn't feel secure at all being there.

    This was an attempt to end multiracial democracy. It was a white supremacist temper tantrum, a white rage attack on the very idea of Black and brown people having the same voting power and rights as white people. You were there. What were you feeling in terms of racial hostility?

    The energy was very strong. I definitely think that's a big component of it, without a doubt. I also think there were other people there who weren't seeing it through a racial lens. I think, for them, they're railing against "the establishment." There were some people of color there — not very many, but some. I saw them at other Trump rallies too. For them it has got to be about something else.

    I feel like the Trump followers were not protesting against minorities per se. My instinct is that they are protesting against the "liberal establishment" or something like that, who they see as facilitating some kind of change that's going to take power away from people like them.

    You were just in Uvalde, and your work there was featured in Time magazine and the New York Times. In "Brink" you document how broken America is in the Age of Trump. How does the massacre in Uvalde fit into that larger narrative?

    Last year I was in South Texas on assignment, and I saw a guy outside the hotel wearing a T-shirt with a picture of an AR-15. It said something to the effect of "I oil my rifle with the tears of liberals." A couple of years later, a teenager from a nearby town selects the AR-15 — as have most recent mass murderers in the U.S. — to kill children. The point is that what should be a matter of public safety, and you know, the lives of American children, has been completely politicized. It's part of the us-versus-them dynamic. The disparate response to COVID-19 is another example.

    What were you trying to convey with your photos in the aftermath of that tragedy?

    Before I went to Uvalde, I had to look up the year of the Columbine shooting, which was 1999, because I went there, too. In fact, I came across a picture online that I'd taken at a school shooting in Oregon a year before Columbine. I had completely forgotten about it. The clothes and the hairstyles were dated, but the flowers and balloons and stuffed animals were all there.

    While I was in Uvalde, I saw those same icons and I thought: This has become an American ritual. It's like everyone knows what to do immediately after. I was treating my photographs not as coverage of a school shooting, but as reflections of the aftermath of a school shooting. The results of the shooting itself, we do not see. In a way, the imagery of the event is beyond sanitized because we're seeing not the destroyed bodies but rather the positive, heartfelt response of the community, and even a visit from the president, which has become routine.

    I also included the media in a lot of my photographs because most Americans view the event through the lens of what they see through television and online, and that fuels the debate about gun policy. Along with the police lines and the memorials, the TV crews take over the scene in their own way, and then a week later they're packed up and out of there. The national discussion wanes, the flowers fade and there's almost a fatalistic attitude about the whole thing. You do, however, see the continuing efforts of people like David Hogg and Gabby Giffords, who are working hard for sensible gun policies, I hope they have some success.

    Columbine, Jan. 6, Uvalde, Orlando, the rise of Trumpism. What is the America you have been documenting? Where do we go from here?

    I have not always set out to show specifically how balkanized the U.S. is, but that dynamic has shown up in many of the subjects I've covered. I do get the chance to weave in and out of different groups. I enjoy that, it's interesting, and I like seeing and hearing both sides without the filters. During 2020 I covered BLM protests as well as Trump's crowd, sometimes in the same space. The two sides are beyond suspicious of each other. They regard the other side as an existential threat to themselves and to the country.

    It's very disheartening. I was a political science major in college, I believe in the idea of organizing a society for the collective good. Not socialism, but around the rule of law, common ground. But these days, there are vastly different attitudes about what that means, and there seems to be much less of a sense of national ambition than when I was a kid.

    These days, because of social media and the balkanized media in general, the edges of both sides are the loudest voices and each side is reacting to those extreme views. There are a lot of people who have more nuanced, centrist views but it's tough for them to find space in the current political dialogue and in policy making.

    What does it mean to be "American" right now?

    That is an existential question. As far as the country goes. I don't think there is an "America." When you think about Obama's speech in 2004, he said, "There is no red America or blue America." That was so hopeful. But now it strikes me as being incredibly naive. I don't think there is an America anymore. What actually binds us together? Right now, I can't really think of anything that does. There is very little overlap in terms of what people actually believe. It doesn't just come down to beliefs or intangible things such as religion. It's actual facts, such as science or a shared belief in the importance of certain political and social institutions. That basic disconnect is very frightening.

    What kind of truth are you trying to reveal when you pick up the camera and take photographs?

    When I was younger, I used to believe that you can go into a scene and be an objective observer and reveal some kind of truth there. I don't really think that anymore. I don't really believe in an objective truth about almost anything, except maybe some rare instances in the physical sciences. Definitely not in the social sciences. There's no such thing as objective truth.

    I am trying to do two things. I am trying to find whatever amount of objective truth that I can glean from a particular situation. For example, that there was an attack on the Capitol on Jan. 6, and these are the people who did it. That is true. There's no disputing that. More broadly, I'm looking for a subjective truth. I'm trying to discover in a scene what feels true to me, beyond just the facts of this situation. What is the true emotion? What are the true motivations with these people?



    https://www.rawstory.com/i-don-t-th...red-world-conflicts-says-jan-6-was-the-worst/
     
    1. Scotchlass
      Do you think that, perhaps, Mr. David Butow is a Liberal who has carried a Liberal's viewpoints with him around the world?
      I honestly don't know the answer to that, but I would bet that he is/has.
      This interview/discussion/whatever by Salon and reported on by RawSewage, is sort of like @shooter interviewing @stumbles, i.e., the querulous old man's observations, answers and conclusions would seem very predictable to most here. Except for American flags. The old man doesn't like flags.

      By the way, as Butow notes, the US is becoming more balkanized. But it's not the Conservatives who are doing this.
      And then, the following topics are lumped together under one heading: Columbine, Jan. 6, Uvalde, Orlando, the rise of Trumpism.

      Clearly, this is a really objective observer who is really being interviewed in a really objective sort of way by a really objective reporter...
       
      Scotchlass, Jun 21, 2022
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    OI! @Scotchlass !
    First, Shooter would never "interview" the American hating ass, unless it was in a police interview room with the American hating ass in handcuffs, and only for as long as it took the american hating ass to take advantage of his 5th amendment rights and demand an attorney.

    What the stumbler propaganda post so conveniently avoided was the full year of rioting that precluded January 6. You remember, the burning of Portland, Seattle, Chicago, New York et al that still continues sporadically even today.

    No congressional hearings. No FBI/DOJ investigations. No prime time circus shows. No massive arrests and hard nose convictions. No media coverage of weeping looters being sentenced to years in jail for stealing a powerful politicians beer.

    Just crickets.
     
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      To my recollection, none of those folks tried to interfere with the peaceful transfer of power from one duly elected government to the next.

      Or tried to throw themselves a lil’ol coup.

      Or plotted insurrection.

      Maybe that’s just me. Maybe my recollection is fuzzy. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
       
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  6. stumbler

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    The insurrection did not end on January 6th. Trump and his treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans are still hard at it. But some times just laughably so on live TV.


    Trump Blasts GOP Arizona House Speaker Ahead of Jan. 6 Testimony: ‘He Told Me That The Election Was Rigged’



    ‘That is Also False’: Republican Jan. 6 Witness Shuts Down New Trump Statement About Rigged Election in Real Time
    By Ken MeyerJun 21st, 2022, 2:14 pm
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    Arizona Speaker of the House Rusty Bowers (R) shut down new claims from Donald Trump that they both agreed the 2020 election was stolen.

    Bowers, a Trump voter who wanted the former president to win re-election in 2020, appeared before the January 6 Committee on Tuesday for their 4th day of hearings, which is focused on Team Trump’s attempts to pressure state officials into helping him overturn the results of the 2020 election.


    Bowers is one of several state officials present to testify on the pressure campaign, and shortly before his testimony on Tuesday Trump issued a statement claiming Bowers agreed with him on the election being stolen:

    Arizona Speaker of the House Rusty Bowers is the latest RINO to play along with the Unselect Committee. In November 2020, Bowers thanked me for getting him elected. He said he would have lost, and in fact expected to lose, if I hadn’t come along. During the conversation, he told me that the election was rigged and that I won Arizona. He said he got more votes than I did which could never have happened. In fact, he said without me, he would have been out of office, and he expected to be prior to my coming along, and big Arizona rallies. The night before the election he walked outside with his wife and saw the tremendous Trump enthusiasm and told her, “You know what? Maybe I will win after all”—and he did. Bowers should hope there’s not a tape of the conversation.

    Bowers refused to go along with the effort, and Congressman Adam Schiff (D-CA) began his questioning by reading Trump’s statement to Bowers. On the subject of the election being “rigged,” as Trump says, Schiff asked Bowers “Did you have such a conversation with the president?”


    “I did have a conversation with the president. That certainly isn’t it,” Bowers said. “There were parts of it that are true, but there are parts that are not.”


    “Anywhere, anyone, anytime has said I said the election was rigged, that would not be true,” he added.


    “And when the former president in his statement today claimed that you told him that he won Arizona, is that also false?” Schiff followed up.

    “That is also false,” Bowers replied.

    The hearing went on with Bowers taking question on Team Trump’s attempts to present him with allegations of election fraud. He said that Rudy Giuliani repeatedly failed to offer proof the election was massively corrupted by fraudulent votes from illegal immigrants and dead people.

    Watch above, via Fox News.

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/that-is...statement-about-rigged-election-in-real-time/

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    Now what makes this so interesting is its the DOJ now citing the J6 hearings which so far has primarily been about Trump and his treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans trying to steal the 2020 election. But in this filing the DOJ is saying they can't move forward with trials until they see what else the J6 committee has. Which draws a straight line from the domestic terrorists already charged with seditious conspiracy to Trump and his inner circle.


    Trump administration's relationship with Proud Boys 'will be the subject' of future J6 Committee hearings: DOJ

    Brad Reed
    June 22, 2022


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    Proud Boys presence at anti-vaccine rally in Washington, D.C. January 23, 2022 (Photo: Jordan Green/RawStory.com)


    Future House Select Committee hearings are going to detail the Trump administration's relationship with the far-right Proud Boys gang, according to a new filing by the United States Department of Justice.

    As flagged by CBS News' Scott MacFarlane, the DOJ argued in a recent court filing that there should be a delay in the trial of several Proud Boys who have been accused of seditious conspiracy for their roles in inciting the January 6th Capitol riots.

    The reason for the delay is that the DOJ wants access to full transcripts from the House Select Committee, which it says are essential evidence to both the government's case and the Proud Boys' defense.

    What's more, the DOJ specifically says that "the relationship between the Trump Administration and the Proud Boys and other groups will be the subject of a future hearing" from the January 6th Committee.

    READ MORE: 'Everybody knows he's lying': Morning Joe shreds Ron Johnson's defense after he's snared in Trump's conspiracy

    During a presidential debate with Joe Biden in 2020, Trump infamously told the Proud Boys to "stand back and stand by" when he was asked if he'd denounce them by a debate moderator.

    The DOJ has gathered evidence that the Proud Boys played a central role in inciting the Capitol riots, and they've been among the very few January 6th defendants who have been hit with the very serious charge of seditious conspiracy.



    https://www.rawstory.com/trump-proud-boys-2657543381/
     
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    attaboy!
    Spin that.
     
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    One way we can tell how much impact the J6 committee hearings are having is by the number of rats trying to swim away from the sinking Traitor Trump ship. And this one is especially amusing since it one of the people who organized the Stop The Steal rally used as cover for the deadly insurrection and attempted coup.

    Jan. 6 rally organizer turns on former president: 'Trump is disconnected from the base'

    David Edwards
    June 22, 2022


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    Donald Trump speaks at "Stop the Steal Rally on Jan 6th. (Photo by Brendon Smialowski for ASFP)


    An organizer of the Jan. 6 rally that preceded the attack on the U.S. Capitol suggested that it is time to move on from former President Donald Trump.

    Amy Kremer told Politico that Trump's revoked endorsement of Alabama Senate candidate Mo Brooks was an example of his bad judgment.

    “Donald Trump is disconnected from the base,” Kremer remarked. “I don’t know what has happened there. I think he’s getting bad advice from the people around him, and I think it’s unfortunate, but it’s time for those of us in the movement to get back to basics, back to our first principles.”

    She added: “We were here long before President Trump came along, and we’re going to be here long afterward."

    READ MORE: Bob Woodward points out 'stunning' similarity between Trump and Nixon revealed by Shaye Moss testimony

    In a Tuesday primary election, Brooks lost his bid to become the Republican nominee.

    Kremer and her daughter Kylie were subpoenaed by the House Select Jan. 6 Committee over their role in organizing the event.

    "The investigation has revealed credible evidence of your involvement in events within the scope of the Select Committee's inquiry," Chair Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-MS) said in one letter to Kremer.



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  10. stumbler

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    GOP congressman dumps Trump after watching Jan. 6 hearings

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    Although one of the Republican witnesses against Donald Trump admits he'll back him again in 2024, at least one GOP lawmaker has seen enough from the House select committee.

    Rep. Don Bacon (R-NE) told CNN's Manu Raju on Wednesday that after watching the panel's public hearings he "will not be supporting" the former president in the 2024 Republican primary, if Trump announces he is running.

    Bacon's announcement came shortly after news broke that Arizona House speaker Rusty Bowers, who testified against Trump during Tuesday's hearing and said the ex-president's supporters threatened his family, said he would still vote for him if he won the GOP nomination.

    State lawmakers and poll workers described Tuesday how their lives had been upended by threats of violence as Trump singled them out in his bid to overturn the 2020 US election.

    IN OTHER NEWS: 'I heard evidence of criminality': The View hosts think the Jan. 6 committee laid groundwork for Merrick Garland

    Trump was personally involved in an intense campaign of pressure on officials in key swing states he had lost to Joe Biden, the fourth congressional hearing into the former president's bid to cling to power after his defeat was told.

    Members of the committee probing the January 2021 assault on the US Capitol that followed the election have spent much of June setting out their initial findings that Trump led a multi-pronged conspiracy to overturn the results, culminating in the insurrection in Washington.

    On Tuesday they heard from poll worker Shaye Moss, who was falsely accused by Trump and his lawyer Rudy Giuliani alongside her mother Ruby Freeman of "rigging" the election count in Georgia with "suitcases" full of ballots for Biden.

    Moss, who is Black, described people making "hateful" and "racist" threats of violence following the baseless accusations, including one message saying: "Be glad it's 2020 and not 1920."

    READ MORE: Mo Brooks delivers bitter concession speech following GOP primary defeat: 'Congratulations to the Democrats'

    "This turned my life upside down. I no longer give out my business card, I don't transfer calls," Moss testified.

    "I don't want anyone knowing my name... I don't go to the grocery store. Haven't been anywhere at all."

    Freeman said in her deposition she had lost her good name and sense of security because "number 45 and his ally Rudy Giuliani decided to scapegoat me and my daughter Shaye, to push their own lies about how the presidential election was stolen."

    The mother and daughter were among poll workers or election officials in several states who found themselves pressured to thwart the will of millions of voters based on bogus claims of fraud, the panel said.

    RELATED: Ron Johnson chief staffer’s explanation for fake electors handoff doesn’t add up — here’s why

    Rusty Bowers, speaker of the Arizona House of Representatives, testified that he asked Giuliani "on multiple occasions" for evidence of his stolen election claims.

    He told committee members Giuliani said "we've got lots of theories, we just don't have the evidence."

    Trump issued a statement, read out during the hearing, attempting to discredit Bowers, calling him a "RINO" -- Republican In Name Only -- and claiming that the lawmaker had told Trump the election was rigged and that Trump had in fact won Arizona.

    Bowers said both claims were false.

    With additional reporting by AFP

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    I dunno he doesn't look like one of those hard core type guys willing to take a fall for the boss to me.

    Georgia GOP chairman hit with DOJ subpoena in fake elector investigation: report

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    June 22, 2022


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    On Wednesday, CNN reported that the Justice Department has issued a subpoena to Georgia Republican Party Chair David Shafer as part of its investigation into the pro-Trump fake "electors" that were seeking to overturn the 2020 presidential election.

    This comes as the DOJ expands its probe, issuing subpoenas to a wide list of GOP officials in multiple states.

    "Federal investigators subpoenaed the Georgia Republican Party chairman for information related to the fake elector scheme there as the Justice Department has issued a fresh round of subpoenas to people from several states who acted as rogue electors after the 2020 presidential election, multiple sources familiar with the situation told CNN," reported Zachary Cohen, Sara Murray, Katelyn Polantz, Evan Perez, and Marshall Cohen. "The subpoena for the chairman, David Shafer, represents a significant step because he played a central role in organizing the fake slate of electors from Georgia and coordinated the effort with the Trump campaign."

    Shafer, who has previously stirred controversy by tweeting in support of Russia's Vladimir Putin, signed his name to the slate of fake electors, which experts have argued could open him up to legal jeopardy.

    RELATED: ‘Positively unglued’ Arizona GOP boss is livid Rusty Bowers testified against Trump: report

    The fake elector scheme was part of a plan detailed in a memo by far-right Trump attorney John Eastman. As part of the plan, Vice President Mike Pence would use the fake electors as proof that several states President Joe Biden won were disputed, and thus discard the real electors, throwing the majority of "counted" electors to Trump.

    Experts broadly believed this plan was illegal, and even Eastman himself privately admitted to the former president there was no basis for it in the law.




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      UPDATE; Rachel Maddow is reporting and the Washington Post is confirming that the FBI issued subpoenas and even raided some house in multiple states connected to fake electors.
       
      stumbler, Jun 23, 2022
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    FBI executes search warrant on top Nevada Republican — who was a Trump phony elector: report

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    June 22, 2022


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    The investigation into the phony electors scheme by Trump supporters attempting to overturn the 2020 presidential election appeared to escalate on Wednesday.

    "FBI agents served a search warrant Wednesday on Nevada’s top GOP official, sources told the 8 News Now I-Team’s George Knapp. Agents seized the cell phone of state Republican chairman Michael McDonald, reportedly as part of an investigation into the fake elector scheme initiated at the end of the 2020 presidential election," KLAS reported. "A second search warrant was issued for state party secretary James DeGraffenreid, who also signed the document, but FBI agents could not locate him Wednesday, sources told Knapp."

    The Nevada Republican Party posted a press release and publicity photo that remains on its website.

    "Today, the Nevada Republican Presidential Electors convened at the Nevada Legislative Building in our state’s capitol to cast their electoral votes for the rightful victors of Nevada, President Donald J. Trump and Vice President Michael Pence. These electoral votes will be sent to the United State’s Congress where they will be read on January 6th," the Nevada GOP announced on Dec. 14, 2020.

    McDonald issued a statement.

    “In a historic move, the Nevada Presidential Electors convened in Nevada’s capitol today to cast their 6 electoral votes for President Donald J. Trump and Vice President Michael Pence. The people of Nevada did not have a fair election due to the irregularities and fraud seen throughout the state. With ongoing challenges and evidence left to be meaningfully investigated, we must submit our electoral votes for the rightful victors and allow Congress to make a determination," he said.

    They even posted their scheme on social media.

    https://www.rawstory.com/phony-electors/
     
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    The public see's right through the hack fuck leftists desperation...as I hear it...sponge bob square pants cartoon re-runs are more favorable than the hack fuck leftist/RINO congressional hearings.
     
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    Presidential Historian Notices Key Phrase in Trump’s Jan. 6 Speech That He Says Undermines Dems’ Case

    Presidential historian Constantinos Scaros argues the Democrats’ position that former President Donald Trump incited a riot at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, is faulty.

    Scaros, a history and political science professor at Grand Canyon and Colorado Technical Universities, shared his analysis while profiling his new book, “Trumped-Up Charges.”

    In the book, Scaros attacks 10 false narratives about Trump often advanced by mainstream media.

    In an interview with the Western Journal, Scaros said: “I wanted to show people and set the record straight that 100 years from now, history will assess Donald Trump fairly as to what he really did and what he really didn’t. And that’s why I wrote the book.”

    The book addresses the false claims that Trump is a “racist” and that Trump referred to white supremacists as “very fine people” — an accusation first heralded by candidate Joe Biden in the aftermath of a riot in Charlottesville in August 2017.

    Scaros notes that context is key when considering someone’s statement to assess their character. Trump did say there were “very fine people” on both sides, but added, “I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

    Scaros added:

    “And if you do look at the context, [racism is] definitely not the case [here]. He was talking about very fine people who abhor racism and white supremacism just as much as anyone else, but they believe in the historical significance and the legacy of Confederate statues and so forth.”

    “So he was talking about very fine people who want to preserve the history of the soldiers who fought in their state in those parts where those statues are up,” Scaros concluded.

    The author contends that Biden knew the truth but propagated the lie anyway.

    “He counted on the American people being bamboozled by media malpractitioners who just put up clickbait headlines hoping the audiences are too lazy to really click and read the full story,” Scaros said.

    The book also addresses the so-called “Muslim Ban,” the claim that Trump called Mexicans rapists and criminals, and the claim that Trump suggested members of “the squad” should go back to their own countries.

    Scaros admitted it is not possible to know Trump’s heart but asserts one can look at his record and what he said in proper context and disprove what many media outlets have reported.

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    Regarding charges that Trump is a racist, Scaros said:

    “I worked in that same Manhattan he did,” Scaros said. “And the way I look at it is if I hated the sun, and I hated the sand, and I hated the water and I had millions and millions of dollars to do whatever I wanted to, I wouldn’t go to the beach.”

    “So if this guy is a billionaire and he hates persons of color, etc., etc., he wouldn’t be in New York because he’s surrounded by people different from himself. That’s just my speculation about whether he’s a racist or not.”

    And regarding the claim that Trump incited a riot or insurrection on Jan. 6, 2021 — Scaros states that the claim can not stand up to scrutiny. Sacaros offered several reasons why:

    At the January 6 Save America Rally, Trump said, “I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”

    Scaros notes that while Democrats focus on the words “fight like hell,” which Trump did use in that speech, the proper context of those words proves that Trump did not want violence. Scaros explained:

    “When he said ‘fight like hell,’ never mind that just about every football coach in the world uses that term in the locker room. He immediately then said, and not many people talk about this, he said, ‘And you know who fights like hell? Rudy Giuliani.'”

    “Now, did he really mean that this frail guy who was pushing 80 is going to scale walls and break through windows? Of course not. He was talking about Giuliani’s tenacity to achieve a goal. He was certainly not talking about physical violence and criminal trespass.”

    During his remarks, Trump said Giuliani’s “got guts. You know what? He’s got guts, unlike a lot of people in the Republican Party. He’s got guts. He fights, he fights.”

    Scaros also notes that Trump has too much political acumen to have wanted violence, saying, “Certainly he knows that’s going to hurt him. Trump did not want to commit treason or have any reason to believe a violent ‘insurrection’ would have ever succeeded.”

    Scaros concluded:

    “I think it’s important for Trump supporters to tell their friends and relatives, ‘Look, if you want to hate Donald Trump, hate him for things he actually did… Just don’t hate him for the things he really didn’t do.'”
     
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      That is such a laughable defense!
       
      anon_de_plume, Jun 30, 2022
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    Big Fox News Tonite, VP Harris misses making a basket....
     
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  16. stumbler

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    The shit is getting real now. The FBI could not have gotten a search warrant without being able to convince a judge they have probably cause to suspect crimes have been committed and John Eastman committed those crimes.

    Federal investigators seize John Eastman's electronics outside restaurant: report

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    June 27, 2022


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    Former law professor and legal adviser John Eastman was searched and had his electronics taken last week when a number of Republicans were raided by federal agents.

    According to CNN, around the same time that GOP leaders, a former Republican Trump elector from Georgia and a former Arizona Trump campaign staffer were being awakened by federal agents, John Eastman was also being searched. Appearing in a New Mexico court on Monday, Eastman said that he was filing a lawsuit saying that the search and seizure were "improper."

    Eastman was leaving a restaurant after dinner with his wife and a friend when six investigators approached him and asked for access to his email on his iPhone 12.

    "Eastman contends the agents 'forced' him to unlock his phone," said CNN. "A seizure warrant document included in Eastman’s filing noted any electronic devices agents seized were to be sent to Washington, DC, or the Justice Department inspector general’s forensic lab in northern Virginia."

    Read the full report at CNN.com

    https://www.rawstory.com/john-eastman-federal-investigators/
     
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      Well @Scotchlass we are all going to have a ring side seat for this and if it holds up I will come back to remind you how detached from reality you truly are.
       
      stumbler, Jun 28, 2022
    3. Scotchlass
      come back to remind you how detached from reality you truly are.

      Looking forward, @stumbles. We'll discuss it at a more leisurely pace.
      My only point was the FBI cannot be trusted.
      We know.for.a.fact they lied to a FISA judge multiple times to get warrants; this was politically driven.
      We also know an FBI lawyer pleaded guilty to changing a federal document from the CIA in order to help obtain said warrant.

      By the way, the lawyer is suing to get his phone back because.... "Eastman said the agents who approached him identified themselves as from the FBI but appeared to be serving a warrant on behalf of the Justice Department’s Office of Inspector General, which he contends has no jurisdiction to investigate him since he has never worked for the department."

      Looks like more political hanky panky to me...

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...p-says-federal-agents-seized-phone/ar-AAYW078
       
      Scotchlass, Jun 28, 2022
    4. anon_de_plume
      Do you have proof they lied now? Or just suspicions?
       
      anon_de_plume, Jun 30, 2022
    5. Scotchlass
      Who lied? The FBI?
       
      Scotchlass, Jun 30, 2022
    6. anon_de_plume
      So, no proof? Just casting doubt.

      It's what Republicans do. Trump casts doubt on our elections, and now Scotchwhatever comes along about casts doubt on our institutions.

      And if you're serious about liars, you might want to check out your boy.
       
      anon_de_plume, Jun 30, 2022
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    I wouldn't care what side your on if FBI seizes your electronics I would be nervous. Even if it was a brand new phone walking out of a Apple store those feds would plant it with all kinds of illegal info if it would benefit the one giving them orders.
    Sure I trust the feds to do what's right :)
     
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    Everybody is corrupt except Trump? Is that what you are telling us?
     
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      Never mentioned Trump guess you struggle reading. I trust our feds about as far as I can see them.
       
      the Farm Boy, Jun 28, 2022
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    Trump’s intel director feared Jan. 6: ‘He expressed concern it could spiral out of control’

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    Donald Trump's last director of national intelligence was deeply concerned about the former president's effort to overturn his election loss, according to new testimony from a former White House aide.

    Cassidy Hutchinson, the top aide to former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, testified Tuesday before the House Select Committee that she grew fearful about Jan. 6, 2021, as she learned more about the the planning.

    "In the days before Jan. 2, I was apprehensive about the 6th," Hutchinson said. "I heard general plans for a rally, I heard tentative movements to go to the Capitol. But that was the first evening that I felt scared and nervous on Jan. 6, and I had a deeper concern for what was happening with the planning aspects of it."

    Hutchinson testified that her concerns were shared by John Ratcliffe, the director of national intelligence and a former Republican congressman.

    RELATED: ‘Really, really bad’: Mark Meadows was worried about Jan. 6 violence when Rudy announced Capitol plans

    "My understanding is that Director Ratcliffe didn't want much to do with the post-election period," Hutchinson testified. "He felt that it wasn't something that the White House should be pursuing. He felt it was dangerous for the president's legacy. He had expressed concern that it could spiral out of control and potentially be dangerous, either in our democracy or for the way that things were going on the 6th, trying to fight the results of the election, finding missing ballots, pressuring -- filing lawsuits in certain state where's there did not seem to be significant evidence and reaching out to legislatures about -- that's pretty much the way the White House is handling the post-election period. They felt there could be dangerous repercussions in terms of precedents set for elections, for our democracy, for the 6th. They were hoping we would concede."

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      What was not in control was Capitol Security which most are a bunch of over weight shit bags. They should of shot every person that entered the building if everyone felt so threatened. That's what I wish would of taken place.
       
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    @the Farm Boy

    First another great testament to "back the Blue." The only time treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans pretend they give a shit about law enforcement is when they are policing Black and Brown people. But if they go up against Trump and domestic terrorists trying to over throw the government and the results of a free and fair election then law enforcement are shit bags.

    But the only reason there wasn't more law enforcement at the Capitol was because that was all part of the armed insurrection and attempted coup. It was all part pof the plan.


    'They're not here to hurt me': Aide testified Trump knew the J6 crowd was armed -- and didn't care

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    Former Trump White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson provided bombshell testimony as to what was being discussed backstage at the Jan. 6 "Stop the Steal" rally.

    Hutchinson, who was a top aide to White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, testified before the House Select Committee Investigating the Jan. 6 Attack on the U.S. Capitol.

    "When we were in the off-stage area tent behind the stage, [Trump] was very concerned about the shot, meaning the photograph that we would get, because the rally space wasn't full. One of the reasons, which I've previously stated, was because he wanted it to be full, and for people to not feel excluded because they had come far to watch him at the rally and he felt the [magnetometers] were at fault for not letting everybody in, but another leading reason, and likely the primary reason is because he wanted it full, and he was angry at that -- that we weren't letting people through the [magnetometers] with weapons, the Secret Service deems as weapons and are weapons. but when we were in the off stage announce tent, I was part of a conversation, I was in the vicinity of a conversation where I overheard the president say something to the effect of, 'I don't f*cking care that they have weapons, they're not here to hurt me. Take the [magnetometers] away, let the people in, they can march the Capitol from here. Let the people in, take the [magnetometers] away."

    "Just to be clear, is it your understanding that the president wanted to take the [magnetometers] away and said that the armed individuals were not there to hurt him?" Cheney asked. "That's a fair assessment," Hutchinson replied.

    "The issue wasn't with the amount of space available in the official rally area only, but instead, that people did not want to have to go through the [magnetometers]," Cheney said.

    Watch:.



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